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Hopefully they will do one. Stacking kings needs removing.

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tobold wrote:Hopefully they will do one. Stacking kings needs removing.

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Stacking kings isn't that bad, as long as you remember that shields are effective against kings and, while not that easy to beat, still possible.

juanma206 wrote:

tobold wrote:Hopefully they will do one. Stacking kings needs removing.

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Stacking kings isn't that bad, as long as you remember that shields are effective against kings and, while not that easy to beat, still possible.

Plus, for proper King stacking, a game has to be extremely long, since I believe after three hypnotist hires after x number of total hires, it becomes mathematically impossible to get another one.
And by the time someone gets a fourth King, you probably have at least two, so it renders the effect nearly pointless.

When every game ends in everyone stacking kings, something needs to be changed. Different tactics should be viable, when the meta has stagnated to one strategy it needs mixing up.

if you don't think king stacking is a problem reply with your name here. I'll heart you, follow you into some games with my friends and go quad-King on you then you can say kings are not op!! OKAY

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Yeah. All you people who have been telling me there is no balance issue. Can. Suck. It.




On the bright side, this news has made me postpone my deletion of Subterfuge.

Also - I'm linking to my post where I wrote up a detailed explanation on a possible way to balance the specialists.

I find king stacking quite balanced and even a little weak . I think kings must be respected more and have more advantages . I have won 4 rated game in a row (all gold ) and I owe that to my handsome kings .

Ps: forth is actually on the way .

+ after what pepe said I should say , you can never trust your hires to be hypnos...

juanma206 wrote:.

Plus, for proper King stacking, a game has to be extremely long, since I believe after three hypnotist hires after x number of total hires, it becomes mathematically impossible to get another one.
And by the time someone gets a fourth King, you probably have at least two, so it renders the effect nearly pointless.[/quote]

Specs can be gifted between players so your mathematically impossible statement doesn't take that into consideration.

Also, since Kings are most effective with single mega-stacks of drillers, I've found the simplest and most beautiful counter is a Double Agent paired with a Smuggler (or other speed specialist) to get the DA in position ahead of the incoming mega-stack.

Sending a series of specialists out, backed by a General (or two!), is also very effective because the global effect of the General occurs before the combat phase, which in this case is pointless anyway since there are no drillers on the sub.