Yeah unfortunately my videos are made late and a lot of the finer details about diplomacy have become fuzzy, or outright forgotten.

My impression is that I was now in bed with Crisismana but I felt like he was a henchman of a larger group which probably had secretpanda as the ringleader. Once we finished our mission against rosslessness I was worried that crisis would not let me into his "inner circle" which could signify that I would be the next target. At this point I did not feel like I had a lot of military might, as my base was very lopsided with factories on W side and generators on the less certain E side.

So I'm pretty surprised to read this and see that crisismana appears to have been perhaps the dominant player in this game. His diplomatic style really appears to have worked for him -- right up until it completely failed him

Stefan and I were having good conversations but no formal connection or specific common goal. I feel like it was a joint-decision between Stefan and myself to impose ourselves into Crisis' group. Actually I recall a point where Stefan formally asked me if it would be okay to form a legitimate alliance with these. Which amused me for some reason, I liked the request, so formal. My impression at that point was that Stefan was a diplomatic player but was feeling a bit edged out and needed to make more formal allies quickly before he was squeezed out of any team and became a target.

i will clear the alliance issue. at first, me and 6pay is work together to beat ross. second i was prepare attacking panda in first day but ross back stab me but ross got no one support him cause i was work with road too. he was insane and give other people false info what is goin on at rokovoko. so in panda/crisimana border on garfield we had agreement about gifting me instead. and i forgot about tinkerer cause i reach my cap fast there and cant build mine while still war against ross. and panda never mention about tinkerer ever again to remember me. third about stefan he was suspicious. he not build second mine and had not any target. cause i know riot he was propose me as ally in first day. so i can assume me as stefan target. luckyly i show him my ally with panda. and my ally with 6pay. and riot ally ?! he was suspicious too later with ross.
actually panda never been ally with 6payh. but i can arrange if worst come when stefan decide to attack me by my ally 4 side of him. but he was idle until 7 days. and i was try to propose stefan as an ally cause riot act suspicious. then i was back stabben by sea leech strategy (6payh) i was create that strategy after observe 6payh behavior to gain gold medal. it was dishonor medal, not worth to get one 6payh. shame on you.

roadkiehl wrote:

crisismana wrote:my mobile has not next button page.

There should be a little "#" symbol at the top right and bottom right of your page.

thanks road it was to little to notice down there. actually i was found that # before you mention it.

crisismana wrote: then i was back stabben by sea leech strategy (6payh) i was create that strategy after observe 6payh behavior to gain gold medal. it was dishonor medal, not worth to get one 6payh. shame on you.

I didn't backstab you to get a gold medal. Backstabbing you was diving into the unknown. You were doing well and if we'd stuck together I'm sure we could have gotten gold/silver between us. I attacked you because of your deplorable "diplomatic" methods and I was sick and tired of having to deal with you any longer.

I have already politely tried to explain this to you in other ways. I guess one more time won't hurt. If I were you, I would expect the exact same behavior from other players in future games unless you revise your diplomatic methods.

6payh wrote:

crisismana wrote: then i was back stabben by sea leech strategy (6payh) i was create that strategy after observe 6payh behavior to gain gold medal. it was dishonor medal, not worth to get one 6payh. shame on you.

I didn't backstab you to get a gold medal. Backstabbing you was diving into the unknown. You were doing well and if we'd stuck together I'm sure we could have gotten gold/silver between us. I attacked you because of your deplorable "diplomatic" methods and I was sick and tired of having to deal with you any longer.

I have already politely tried to explain this to you in other ways. I guess one more time won't hurt. If I were you, I would expect the exact same behavior from other players in future games unless you revise your diplomatic methods.

my diplomatic methods is different with someone i trust and some one i did not trust. do i need say that again too ?
you can see at first day before ross back stab me. all is peace we just play casual.
actually i had info by jan that you 6 had suspicious thing with pmoney. and i confirm it with easy base you get there, shield off ? and you are one game with pmoney in holiday game too. raise more suspicious.
sure you win that medal. you are blinded by the medal 6payh. see what you do at late game with panda.
your heart corrupted by the medal. is my word shame on you is not enough to explain, i have no other idea.

@Crisis - Holding an outpost hostage by sending an attack and requiring it as a gift, isn't a diplomatic way to test an ally. It's an attack where you'll probably breaks the alliance you're trying to test.

@Panda - So what happened next?

Day 4
Decided not to schedule to have a second mine built since roadkiehl is at driller cap and my western border is not well defended (1 factory, 2 generators, 32 hrs away from Queen).
I have decided to go with crisismana's plan of using tycoon to feed him (and Stefan?) drillers so that they can attack r10t (?) and I get more factories to build 2 mines later.
Seeing that janitorialDuties is advancing against pmoney, as well as him telling me he is gonna get a king, I schedule an order to violate my demilitarization against pmoney, so I can get some of his territory too.
Because I trust janitorialDuties as a person, I PM him a message on the forums explaining my situation (including crisismana's plan and my alliance) to him.
Depending on how janitorialDuties will react, I will send out a message to my allies that janitorialDuties is my ally.
All orders for gifting drillers to crisismana have been set so far, but I hope next hire will be navigator so he can be promoted to admiral.
To avoid hitting driller cap, I send a gift of drillers to roadkiehl; hopefully he won't attack me anytime soon!

wow that day pic i still remember to unleash panda, JD and 6payh to attack pmoney to get all his teritory pmoney has and pmoney start turtling and i got info pmoney has 300 driller in 1 outpost. xD

Day 5 and Day 6
DAY 5
I got lucky and my hire was Navigator.
At this time, I am also attacking Pmoney, breaking our demilitarization treaty from earlier. If all goes right, I will gain three new outposts.
The outposts which I targeted are easily captured as Pmoney consolidates his forces at one outpost - Clarkrye.
Crisismana contacts me about attacking r10t, and pesters me about getting my Admiral. Eventually I gift it to him, so he can attack faster.
Pmoney has hired a King, and ammassed over 300 drillers at Clarkrye. JanitorialDuties has a King and a Hypnotist, I'm assuming he will be going for a double King stack.
Day 6
Now attacking Mathwiz9's mine and outpost. He has 43 drillers at this point so I can take them easily.
Pmoney decided to send his nav/admiral/lieutenant + 345 drillers at one of my outposts - Roberts, which is behind another of my outposts - Chongos. I'm assuming he'll use his navigator at the last minute to reroute.
Since I don't have enough drillers at the moment, I ask for my Admiral back (crisismana returns it in half a day), and send almost all of my drillers at Chongos (90) at Clarkrye which only has 60 drillers now.
Due to luck (and apparantly pmoney being drunk which he admitted to me later), pmoney had scheduled for his Queen to leave for Chongos with 53 drillers. I capture his Queen that way, and eliminate Pmoney (GG).
By now crisismana has probably logged 80% of all the messages in all of our chats and people are getting annoyed and angry at him.
While I mop up Pmoney's ghost troops, I also set out for mathwiz's other mine, easily capturing it. I forgot to mention that Mathwiz decided that the game wasn't any fun anymore and gifted his Queen and some specialists to 6PAYH and roadkiehl.
Public resentment against crisismana starts, and Stefan inquires me to attack crisismana. I tell him I won't attack him directly, as we have been game-long allies, but I will gift units and offensive specialists to Stefan.
Roadkiehl is most enraged at crisismana and has devoted himself to taking him out, allowing me and a few other people to take some of Roadkiehl's outposts without any repercussions.

this is your blunder panda stop your help to me and act suspicious. try to eliminate me who protect you. the only one who hold stefan move and pmoney move is me. pmoney said you became greedy for mine at math and pmoney will try to stop you there but later he do blunder. then stefan got his chance to back stab me but i already prepare for his move so i test him. then he defec to my side and attack you after that. but... like p money did stefan do blunder by send the queen to battle front too. you are so lucky xD