Road, I definitely agree in this situation. My point is that this could be abused by someone who is actually skilled in order to win a bunch of matches. Would someone like you or fate ever lose if you had control of a second account?

I know people are saying "it's just a game" the is true. However this is a low volume game. Most people play 1-2 at a time and they last 7-10 days. It would suck to join a game and find out 5 days in that it was basically rigged from the start.

Ok, fair enough. It's kind of a fine line, then.
I feel like it should be allowed to play with your friends in a public game. I know that's how I got my friends hooked on this game, and it's how I got hooked on the game. I guess what I'm saying is: it's a great way to introduce the game.
But you're right. We run into the problem of one experienced player having (at least) more information by having the ability to look at their friend's screen and more input than they would otherwise have into their friend's actions.
It occurs to me, though, that this problem is inherent in all games with noobs. Often, an experienced leader will become the pied piper of noobs and lead them all wherever they want.
While this is, again, not fair, I do think that it's good for the noobs. I know I learned how to play best when I was allied with a good player, even if I unknowingly screwed everyone else over.
I dunno, I guess what I'm saying is that it's a fine line. I like the idea that friends/family can play this game together, but at what cost?
I think there's a system to deal with this in Neptune's Pride (I hardly played that game, so if someone more familiar can confirm/deny this next paragraph, that would be great.) It has two ways to join games. One where you join a random game with pre-set options, and one where you can invite your friends to join you in a custom game. Perhaps the devs could do something similar? Have options to randomly join games that are set up automatically? And have several game options available? Then L2 players could create custom games with the option to invite friends?

had this last week with 2 "brothers" , no way to prove or disprove but of course they took 1st and 2nd and it sucked for everyone else.

the problem is ease of access. i have been keeping track of their activity I have 15 screenshots of them logging in AND out at the same time in a 30 hour period. So they have bi-hourly meetings? and when I say log out its within the minute. not last seen 5m and last seen 10m its 5m and 5m or 5m/6m

I see the argument of playing with his daughter as valid I do. but there is shadyness going on here based on activity logs. they are sharing everything. I rarely sleep and both will be on at 4am(but bimmer you dont know what time zone theyre in, i was able to figure it out thru convo) its CST/EST a schoolkid and dad playing subterfuge together at 4am?????

Haha, I think we need to start a Subterfuge support group for you. Get some sleep, it'll still be there in the morning!

nah every minute counts. im being assaulted worse than the woman handing out free donuts at a weight watchers convention.

i will not go silently(gently) into that good night

I lol'd at the "pied piper of nooks comment". All I'm saying is that it's not completely benign. I think that it is more important to develop a player base right now, but there are several solutions the devs can work on in the future.

Perhaps a teaming system? Like 2v2v2v2 games? There are a lot of different options.

flagging system. if you see two players constantly playing together it flags an admin to look into the games

bimmer28 wrote:flagging system. if you see two players constantly playing together it flags an admin to look into the games

Thalys a good idea. After 3 or 4 times it will be obvious.

just an update theyre finally almost dead. 2 engineers and a helmsman and then a third engineer at base gives me a 125% ressurection rate and theycant maintain. its clear they need this advantage because they are horrible players lol keeps sending small batches of sihps on my queen that had an inspector and 35 shields.

I now have about 40 screenshots of them logging in and out at the same time. I dont want them banned because I want to kill them but there is a clear thing going on here and if it was any other family it would of made them dominate the game. I agree with wanting to play with your kids but its a fine line and a hard one to enforce. they really need a flagging system to see if its done multiple times over that would be a good deterrent