gardengnome wrote:I like janitor's suggestions except I think there should only be one King at most, like only one queen at most. The first king already has a significant drawback with the loss of shields which balances the king's offense well. That is not the problem, the subsequent Kings are the problem and I don't think 50 driller penalties are the solution.

As for the pirate, it should be able to catch any sub, even navigators (unless the sub makes it to a port). I think the pirate moving faster and faster every hour is the solution.

janitorialduties wrote:Part 2
Debate02- The Princess-
- Like Topkilla I agree that stacking Vision can be very powerful- http://forums.subterfuge-game.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2037&start=10 (at the bottom of the page)- Instead of stacking multiple princesses in the middle of the map, I think strategically placing them at the edges of your territory to maximize their value should be encouraged.
Consider this a nerf to the Sentry- Personally I think a Sentry Princess Stack is frustrating and annoying to difficult to deal with- a single sentry princess combo has a decent enough range in my opinion (covers around 6-7 outposts) (I can write a book on how to deal with them, don't feel the need to enlighten me)
I chose not to nerf the Intelligence Officer because I feel he is underused?

topkilla wrote:

nojo34 wrote:TK. I agree with most of the solutions, but the visions specs? Those are completely balanced in opinion. When you choose a vision spec you are giving up the option to hire something else that can be used in combat. That within itself is enough to balance the vision specialists out.

Yes and no.


Yes, the vision specs are absolutely 'fair' in the idea that they cost a hire.

No. They really are not balanced. At least, when they are stacked. See, vision/fog of war is an extremely important aspect of the game. - It directly relates to diplomacy. - Even with a single Intel Officer hire, which doesn't sound like much, you get a massive boost to your vision. - Allowing you to see roughly 2, maybe 3 bases into your neighbors. As opposed to the 1, maybe 2 bases of standard sonar. That effect removes all immediate risk of initiating an attack.

And that's just 1 Intel Officer. - It only takes a few more after that to effectively be able to see the whole map.

Either way, stacking vision specs takes away from the spirit of the game. Much like stacking Admirals does.


I would love to see vision stacking either eliminated completely by making the bump only effect standard sonar range.
OR
Put the standard sonar range nerf on the princess only, and make the Intel officer a promotable spec of the sentry.

bangerz wrote:is this "update" even happening? as far as we know it's just the developers agreeing that some balancing issues are present and maybe trying to get nojo to stop emailing them. They haven't said anything concrete to my knowledge

janitorialduties wrote:I'm thinking of emailing the above proposed changed to him directly, as this thread may be difficult for them to decipher what we really want in the game. objections?