I was one of the players that asked KevlarGolem about the medal. Of course, why wouldn't I?! Understanding the context helps.

I am honestly torn, partly in that negative medals encourage medal retaliations. If I was back-stabbed, I can send a medal but since they know it was from me, they can send one back despite my moral high-ground which seems to run counter to having a meaningful medal system.

On the other hand, there are anonymous rooms for that type of game-play.

...perhaps anonymous medals?

I admit, I skipped a couple of pages here so I do apologize if I've repeated someone else.

Cool. I'm glad to find this thread. I joined a game, 5 minutes later I had (2) toxic medals and (2) backstabber medals from someone I hadn't met before (it was my second game ever..) so, now nobody will work with me and any disagreement breaks down to "no wonder you got toxic medals". I asked the guy why, if he had me confused with someone else? He said he thought it was funny and was just trying it out. Terrific.

The good news is that medals can't be seen in anonymous games

intrepid_ wrote:Cool. I'm glad to find this thread. I joined a game, 5 minutes later I had (2) toxic medals and (2) backstabber medals from someone I hadn't met before (it was my second game ever..) so, now nobody will work with me and any disagreement breaks down to "no wonder you got toxic medals". I asked the guy why, if he had me confused with someone else? He said he thought it was funny and was just trying it out. Terrific.

Excellent. The Dev's just made $4 for free. Long Live Subterfuge.

topkilla wrote:

intrepid_ wrote:Cool. I'm glad to find this thread. I joined a game, 5 minutes later I had (2) toxic medals and (2) backstabber medals from someone I hadn't met before (it was my second game ever..) so, now nobody will work with me and any disagreement breaks down to "no wonder you got toxic medals". I asked the guy why, if he had me confused with someone else? He said he thought it was funny and was just trying it out. Terrific.

Excellent. The Dev's just made $4 for free. Long Live Subterfuge.

Actually I agree. What I'm thinking is: it will take about a month for everybody to have so much sludge on their account that nobody will pay attention to the medals anymore.. or at least won't draw conclusions from them. Til then, anonymous games for me =)

topkilla wrote:Excellent. The Dev's just made $4 for free. Long Live Subterfuge.

Yeah, unless the person quits. Then the devs lose the money they might have lost on purchase of L2, plus money spent on positive medals, plus any other paid future content. Plus reduced player base means increased chance of others quitting because they can't find a game.

kevlargolem wrote:

topkilla wrote:Excellent. The Dev's just made $4 for free. Long Live Subterfuge.

Yeah, unless the person quits. Then the devs lose the money they might have lost on purchase of L2, plus money spent on positive medals, plus any other paid future content. Plus reduced player base means increased chance of others quitting because they can't find a game.

Then that person isn't cool enough to play Subterfuge.

So wait gifting negative medals "for the lulz" or whatever is less childish than giving medals because you don't agree with them on the forum?
Not everyone shares your view topkilla- and it's not cool to troll. Sludge and shit Talking may be common in fps multiplayer but I think one of subterfuge' goals is to attract people outside the gaming community. In the long run the negative medals might not mean anything but if it frustrates and upsets players unneccesarily than it is causing an effect.

Negative medals should definitely cost more- at least 2 or 3 dollars. Then trolls can still but them if they desire but reduce the amount of flippant medal giving and increase the return per medal (though maybe not the total return).

((Edit was feeling really salty at the time of post- not feeling quite as salty now but too lazy to edit tone))

I'd be REALLY interested to see how many of each medals have been sold in the first month.
I'm betting the toxic will be a real money-spinner.

pgroot wrote:((Edit was feeling really salty at the time of post- not feeling quite as salty now but too lazy to edit tone))

omg this is life