topkilla wrote:Choosing not to support the game is 100% fine. As it's you're right to do so. No one can fault you for it. But it's important for you to understand that games like subterfuge are a rarity. And the reason there are so very few games like Subterfuge on the app store is because there's a small player base for them. And most have been huge financial disasters. (Look at Outwitters)

So if you like the game, and you would love to see updates to it, as well as similar games from other Devs in the future, you should support it. Because for each time a game like Subterfuge tanks financially, there's a smaller chance of a similar type game coming out in the future.

So unless you want to play games like farmville and Clash of Clans, I'd highly suggest you go work for 30 minutes and then walk to the store to buy an iTunes Gift Card.

So, what do you expect me to do after I buy the Gift card? Redeem it and...... buy it on the store? But as I said, the account isn't even mine, and my parents get an email every time I buy something on the app store. And I don't want to make my own account for 2 reasons: 1. Everything that I have bought already (mostly educational apps) won't be on the new one, meaning that I'll have to use 2 accounts to avoid paying for everything twice. 2. Its immoral to do things against your parents before you become an adult. Although, after you become an adult you do have your own rights and responsibilities to make your own decisions.

madiranofo wrote:

tw2000 wrote: I can earn L2 in less than half an hour. But I don't buy it. I mean, of course I want to support the Devs, but if I really wanted to support something, I would support people who are in greater danger than the Devs (like the refugees in Africa right now).

That being said, I am fine having L1 tbh, as long as the game remains fair without me paying anything.

Mind blown.

So buying the game is no great shakes for you, financially. You *really* want to support the devs, but as there are people starving in Africa/wherever, you'd feel bad about supporting 'the wrong group'.

Unbelievable. Keep playing for free, and allow us people who are putting money into this game to keep your game afloat.

If you think its unbelievable then you certainly are hardly open-minded. Try being in my shoes, I think you'll find it very difficult.
AND you took my quote out of context with all my other reasons, so a even a successful rebut on one of them (and an unimportant one at that) does not damage my position on this argument whatsoever. What if I told you I don't want the 'unlimited games' feature to tempt me into spending too much time in Subterfuge? And that is partially true.

Is it possible for someone to close this thread, because it's pretty unnecessary for anything other than mudslinging at this point and I hate to see such unnecessary division over the game price. Bottom line is pay it or don't pay, but it's your choice. My choice is "no I'm not gonna pay." And I'm perfectly happy with my choice, I wouldn't buy it if it were cheaper.

Yeah I agree. The price and other financial matters should be up to the Devs to make. I think the input the players have made through this forum is enough.

aclonicy wrote:Is it possible for someone to close this thread, because it's pretty unnecessary for anything other than mudslinging at this point and I hate to see such unnecessary division over the game price. Bottom line is pay it or don't pay, but it's your choice. My choice is "no I'm not gonna pay." And I'm perfectly happy with my choice, I wouldn't buy it if it were cheaper.

Agreed.
And that last sentence is the bread and butter of this thread. A cheaper price doesn't fix the problem, really. The people who aren't paying are doing it because they don't want to pay. Period.

felendis wrote:

crisismana wrote:road if you want to know marketing about this mobile game your self. open google and search kickstarter. there is plenty info there about pricing and marketing stuff.

Kickstarter is a different beast. The L2 value proposition is a tangible thing in a game you are already playing. Kickstarter is asking for money (generally) based on hype for a game that isnt even made yet, that you dont know if you will even enjoy.

thanks captain obivious. *no offense

the poin i want to say is the marketing. here some random pic i pick from kick starter about board game pricing.

just a parameter of pricing if subterfuge really that expensive ?

maybe the dev can make subterfuge at kickstarter to add new feature idea for moneytizion solution and make gift free L2 who fund them over 20$ there. toplkilla i think you need add this as solution of moneytizion

link to :
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/56 ... escription

I'd rather not lock topics unless something gets out of hand or is a clear duplicate.

Closing the topic, even though it wouldn't be to censor opinions about pricing, doesn't look welcoming either.

Lots of arguments have been made, and have been contested, making for an interesting discussion. Felendis' recent input is an example.

Finally I'm glad people from all sides have contributed. L2 players, industry enthusiasts, L1 players. The L1 players will naturally have the hardest time defending their stance in this topic, but their input could be especially valuable to see if there are ways to make them convert as well. In the end all we can do is accept their decision / situation. Efforts should be made to get conversion as high as possible, but those who don't/can't convert to paying could still contribute here in the forums, by spreading the word, by helping new players in the game, etc.

If contributors from both sides think enough has been said, the topic can quiet down but stay open.

stefan wrote:I'd rather not lock topics unless something gets out of hand or is a clear duplicate.

Closing the topic, even though it wouldn't be to censor opinions about pricing, doesn't look welcoming either.

Lots of arguments have been made, and have been contested, making for an interesting discussion. Felendis' recent input is an example.

Finally I'm glad people from all sides have contributed. L2 players, industry enthusiasts, L1 players. The L1 players will naturally have the hardest time defending their stance in this topic, but their input could be especially valuable to see if there are ways to make them convert as well. In the end all we can do is accept their decision / situation. Efforts should be made to get conversion as high as possible, but those who don't/can't convert to paying could still contribute here in the forums, by spreading the word, by helping new players in the game, etc.

If contributors from both sides think enough has been said, the topic can quiet down but stay open.

Well, that's fine as well, but the topic of money can be a little too....sensitive at times.

tw2000 wrote:

topkilla wrote:Choosing not to support the game is 100% fine. As it's you're right to do so. No one can fault you for it. But it's important for you to understand that games like subterfuge are a rarity. And the reason there are so very few games like Subterfuge on the app store is because there's a small player base for them. And most have been huge financial disasters. (Look at Outwitters)

So if you like the game, and you would love to see updates to it, as well as similar games from other Devs in the future, you should support it. Because for each time a game like Subterfuge tanks financially, there's a smaller chance of a similar type game coming out in the future.

So unless you want to play games like farmville and Clash of Clans, I'd highly suggest you go work for 30 minutes and then walk to the store to buy an iTunes Gift Card.

So, what do you expect me to do after I buy the Gift card? Redeem it and...... buy it on the store? But as I said, the account isn't even mine, and my parents get an email every time I buy something on the app store. And I don't want to make my own account for 2 reasons: 1. Everything that I have bought already (mostly educational apps) won't be on the new one, meaning that I'll have to use 2 accounts to avoid paying for everything twice. 2. Its immoral to do things against your parents before you become an adult. Although, after you become an adult you do have your own rights and responsibilities to make your own decisions.

I don't know what to tell you man. You've made it explicitly clear that you're choosing not to purchase the game. That's perfectly fine. And you've made your point. Theres no reason to continually post these excuses as to why you can't but it. Because if you really wanted to, you are more than capable of doing so.

topkilla wrote:

tw2000 wrote:

topkilla wrote:Choosing not to support the game is 100% fine. As it's you're right to do so. No one can fault you for it. But it's important for you to understand that games like subterfuge are a rarity. And the reason there are so very few games like Subterfuge on the app store is because there's a small player base for them. And most have been huge financial disasters. (Look at Outwitters)

So if you like the game, and you would love to see updates to it, as well as similar games from other Devs in the future, you should support it. Because for each time a game like Subterfuge tanks financially, there's a smaller chance of a similar type game coming out in the future.

So unless you want to play games like farmville and Clash of Clans, I'd highly suggest you go work for 30 minutes and then walk to the store to buy an iTunes Gift Card.

So, what do you expect me to do after I buy the Gift card? Redeem it and...... buy it on the store? But as I said, the account isn't even mine, and my parents get an email every time I buy something on the app store. And I don't want to make my own account for 2 reasons: 1. Everything that I have bought already (mostly educational apps) won't be on the new one, meaning that I'll have to use 2 accounts to avoid paying for everything twice. 2. Its immoral to do things against your parents before you become an adult. Although, after you become an adult you do have your own rights and responsibilities to make your own decisions.

I don't know what to tell you man. You've made it explicitly clear that you're choosing not to purchase the game. That's perfectly fine. And you've made your point. Theres no reason to continually post these excuses as to why you can't but it. Because if you really wanted to, you are more than capable of doing so.

Just because I am capable does not mean I do not consider the pros and cons of buying L2, and right now the cons outweigh the pros. The fact that I want to buy it is a pro, but it is outweighed by about 10 cons I have mentioned in the whole thread so far, some less important than others.
I think you need to be more open-minded and just accept that, although I love the game, I find it better for me to not buy L2.