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Days: -1
i join this game because i want to play my second game as casual play. and i see stefan limited to only member who has 15 post. so i look my post i pass so i join.

before i decide to join this game. i think i want join a tournament but it will get a lot my time cause the competitive atmosphere and less fun for me.

so after join the regulars forum game and wait the game before it start i got 3 message from roadkhiel, 6payh, r10t--

(pink) roadkhiel : ask for really early alliance.
(me : brown) ask back to him : is the game started already ?
after a short chat we end up form an early alliance. and discuss about location.

curent situation the game need 2 more people that time to start the game so we just discuss how about the map change.

but after that the game full with 10 people. so map not change we disscus about pincher someone to us reunited.

pink (road) suggest to pincher janitorialduties (JD) cause his location just really near to pink (road). but from my location there is huge gap betwen me and JD so i suggest pincher rosslessness (dark blue) instead

but later in the game pink (road) has peace border with ross (dark blue) and another neighbor he has i think. and he decide to cancel his early alliance with me. then make me suspicious to him trustworthyness

then after a long chat suggest a strategy end up with nothing.

the second chat come from 6payh (light blue) ask me to form early alliance too after he join the game.
i also ask back is the game started ? and end up form early alliance too. but nothing to disscus except for ross border cause we all peace. he suggest to from 3 alliance with strong core. so we build multi chat and discuss about hire later.

third chat come from r10t-- (green) just call him riot. he say want form an early alliance with me too ?? after he join last position in the game and the game start like 4 hour later.
me answer : why not we can be alliance riot.

for stefan : i ask him to be ally but he decide to not form early alliance so do the roadkhiel he cancel his early alliance after hear stefan dont want to from early alliance.

day : 0
so i just arrange my driller to north and see there is ferfect position to attack some one like red, cause my factory is there to supply war and i got strong core too at my south with 6payh and ross. and for riot, we just fine there is a little gap too at terrain like JD has with me.

gap = 20 hour more journey between the outpost in 1x speed.

my location and other player in days 0
ps : i belive location of pmoney behind that time machine

days 1
peace full opening just arrange my sub to north expansion as first plan. and ready for fast mining at my queen. there is gen with 20 shield as good position to it.
here i open chat to jan about our border just peace full without any discussion, cause the gap betwen us. and he throw some slang joke that i not understand. xD he just dont know or he has a habbit to do it ? i have no idea

ps : my english is my second language so i pardon my rudeness and my mistake in grammar first, if i offend any reader after read my story. i will try to make a video but... my speaking just not well enough i think and it limit me to tell the story that happend so... let see later.

days : 1
the hire
at the start ross say he will go for an inspector he say at multichat early. so we open up about our hire.

at my side :
i got diplomat, double agent, and infiltrator

i keep my double agent able to hire by hold hire is good for right timing if i got big attack.

for infiltrator it is a solid choice to agresive opening. but my queen at safe place and far away to support an agresor movement

and for diplomat i suggest to my ally 6payh and ross that time to pull double queen trick. so i hold my hire. 6payh not lucky with princess so wait for ross to back online. and how about ross hire.

but 6pays so presistent about that double queen trick is cheated and he dont want to do it. and it make sour his winning he says. so i just hold my hire for double agent. and if ross has interest with double queen trick.

rosslessness wrote:Rosslessness here. Bit of history.

Came back to subterfuge after a few weeks away, joined 4 games including this one and decided to go full on aggressive in all.

Didn't go well in any of them. Then I got food poisoning and didn't login for 24 hours.

Nothing gets them sharks circling more than a player who looks like he's going AFK.....

day 1 8h 20 mins
back stabbed by ross ?
everything change when fire nation start to attack (avatar the legend of aang opening quote) *i mean ross back stab

after 8h 20 mins peace opening suddenly turn into war at my south border ?

i confuse here. try to chat ross to cancel his sub cause we are an alliance ? why he do send that.

i recall my chat with ross is only two message.

hi ross. wanna peace border near thunderbird ?
ross reply : agree.

ok cause we are 3 alliance now with good core we are agree to expand else where.

it make i think it was safe to just send 1 my sub to that factory at rokovoko. but i just do mistake to let ross see it as unguard post and good to snatch ? but later ross has point his intention it was agresive opening he has there. *look at ross quote.

but before that clear ross give other player false info and use his reputation being good neighbor. and that false info support too with false rumor that road spread at the beginning start that i found out later in mid game by test road trust worthyness.

then i tell my ally 6payh and my was ally roadkhiel and my other close neighbor specially stefan i was bacstabbed by ross now.

before that insiden happend i had casual talk with stefan about first agresor by backstab is an asshole.

so now i need to deal with an asshole now.

before the worst happend i move my queen to south and go for diplomation move at my north. with red (pandasecret) and purple (stefan).

then i tell panda i want that garfield fac and maybe fate cause i able to take it easyly with my high number sub ready behind the haze of red. after long negotiation we decide to keep peace by panda gifting me driller from bahat to hellman as replace the fac.

and that hidden gift sub. it just co insiden xD i late to tell panda his fac was product another 6. so i tell panda to gift them too. but it was a good move make stefan more aware about my ally with red.

and about fate i already ask the other neighbor like pmoney and JD. red sure will take fate but it kind an akward position to red taking. so i free to take it as my expansion to the north before the back stab happend.

so gifting from bahat is done as deal. and later i has better scheme with red about factory at north

from stefan border i ask for demitiralize border so i can move my sub safely so with my outpost at north.

stefan see my gift with panda give him paranoia i think and i got ally with 6payh too it pincher him to 3 ways alliance if he say no. but actually it was 4 with riot side if worst happend with stefan suspicious move.

i know stefan had not target and he build only 1 mine later that make me more suspicious about his move.

untill then our paranoia is keep going on.

other sub that i can see now is 40 sub JD has to north. and 40 sub riot has to near JD. i dont have any idea if they peace or not.

Thanks for posting this crisismana, it's interesting and informative to see the game from other peoples' perspective. I'm pretty interested to see your thoughts in the late game and why you put up no resistance against my backstab.

What's the double queen trick?

6payh wrote:Thanks for posting this crisismana, it's interesting and informative to see the game from other peoples' perspective. I'm pretty interested to see your thoughts in the late game and why you put up no resistance against my backstab.

are you sure 6payh ?? your doing there it was a massacre. it just like story behind orca strategy also (it was like my experience in my first battle and my enemy behavior is like the orca did). not pleased to seen one either i think. in your video i did not see that part too. but you can see the detail at sea leech stategy ? *on roadkhiel post.

ps : i got nice pic to discribe how the sea leech with light blue colour too.