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Hello, loving the game so far, But even just 2 days into my first game I'm seeing a limitation to the game so heavily dependent on Diplomacy.

Why dont we have a formal diplomacy screen? So my idea is this. Have a screen where you can see formal alliances/acts/aid agreements or whatever. On top of this have the ability to make your alliances/acts/aid agreements or whatever private and hidden. Example. Player A+C have a formal alliance that is public and a plan to attack player B, a weaker player. However Player A + B have a secret alliance where A is going to backstab C.

Now, I know all this diplomacy could be done over just chat, but if they were to gives incentives to using the in game diplomacy options(such as seeing allies scheduled moves, shared generator resources etc) then people would be more likely to put it 'in writing'.

Add to this a new Specialist. The Envoy. The Envoy, if he manages to get to a players capitol is able to see one time that players secret treaties they may have. Maybe there would be a way to make a stealth sub or something that can carry them there, that can be countered by another specialist or something.

Anyway, just a rough idea I had that I think would add a fun dynamic to the game!

I think a large part of the diplomacy of the game is that you don't know who you can trust. Adding this feature would really mess things up. I can't see anyone putting formally that they are with someone, because that would also show their enemies who you are with.

But hence why you have the private and public treaties. I feel like it could open up a whole lot of other options for betrayal!

I personally would never agree to a formal public treaty. I think it would polarize all the other players. They would see me as a larger threat and be less likely to engage in diplomacy.

This could work, but is probably too much of a pain for the Devs to implement. Also, there is the concept of social momentum, which is that you don't want to change something too drastically as that would disrupt the 'momentum' of the players. See, right now, and since the release of the game, there hasn't been such a thing. This is well past the time for changing things like this, which would have been more suited to the beta testing phase of the game (see the first forum where the Devs have posted their updates during beta testing). The idea of momentum is probably why we're all going to reject this idea now, unfortunately